The 129th Debate Caucus of the Antient and Honourable John Adams Society was called to order at precisely 7:30 PM September 17th 2008.
The minutes of the previous debate caucus were recited. Mr. Bowman corrected the minutes by noting that after his speech in the affirmative, he realized that he was actually speaking in the negative, once he was further enlightened by the fine speeches that followed his. Despite very favorable conditions, no motion for a retroactive award of the Badgely Equvocation award was forthcoming.
SSC Kaardal noted that the Neopopulists were organizing in the other room to protest tonight's event. Let it be noted that a broom closet was nearby.
Former Chairman Stebbins reminded the Society that the Conservative Issues Fair sponsored by the TCRA was coming up on Saturday and urged us to attend.
Chancellor Mewis (Mavis) would have pointed out that there was a fine provostery available in the rear of the room, but unfortunately, no provostery had been provided.
For literary presentations, OFC Rev. Mr. Allen recited from C.S. Lewis' essay entitled "Equality". Furthermore, showing exactly why he is referred to by his many admirers as a Paragon of diversity in authorship when choosing literary presentations, Mr. Olsen recited from "The Common Man" by Chesterton.
The debate topic was read: "Resolved: Neopopulism is a fringe movement"
An unenthusiastic call was made by the Chairman for speeches in the affirmative. Without pausing for responses, the Chairman immediately called for speeches in the negative. Let it be noted that this complete and utter disregard for the traditions of the debate caucus is likely but the first of many usurpations of power in a term soon to be known as "Schilling's Reign of Terror."
Unexpectedly, the normally shy and reserved SSC Kaardal rose to speak in the negative. In a discursive and prolix speech, he referenced numerous authors throughout history, from Machiavelli to Harvey Mansfield, attempting to define neopopulism. He pointed out that the people should impose their will on the government, not the other way around. Citizens must do things otherwise difficult to impose their will on the government. In a surprising statement for an attorney, Kaardal suggested that citizens needed to bring more lawsuits against the government. Mr. Kaardal said that the problem with bureaucracies is that geniuses start them, then leave. The bureaucracy continues forever with mediocre people. We must have an infusion of excellence via excellent people into government. The Founders did not anticipate a huge mediocre bureaucracy.
Then, in a style reminiscent of John Galt, Mr. Kaardal began to restate his earlier points in a multitude of ways. Out of respect for his status as a founding member, a motion to award Mr. Kaardal for the Augustine Filibuster Award was not brought forth.
In a return to the enveloping comfort of tradition, Capt. Ferguson rose to give the first speech in the affirmative. The concept is so fringe that he can't even say it. Use of the word "neo" puts them in a same boat as any other populist. He posed a question to the NPs - "How do you get people to actually DO something". It's hard to get younger friends & neighbors involved. People are too busy. It's important for Conservative parents to participate in family time, but it's FAR more important to leave a good government for their children.
In opposition, the Reverend Mr. Allen said that there are different meanings of the word "Fringe", and noted the apathy of the general public. "Many people get a check on April 15th and get excited thinking that they don't pay taxes". It seems that they are almost deliberately uninformed, and allow government to grow until it becomes intolerable - and that level is rather high. SSC Kaardal is correct that we "ought" to be able to change things, and it is not a far step from "ought" to "implementation". This is precisely how revolutions happen.
Speaking in favor, FC Stebbins said "I've grown fond of Fringe Movements - Fringe Movements are populist". Let it be noted that it was not clear to many of those in attendance precisely WHICH fringe movements she had grown fond of. "Fringe Movements are populist!. There is a lack of political independence and people do what they are told. We need MORE fringe movements. For example "Get rid of the Fed!", or "The war is unconstitutional!". She noted that the Constitution itself today can be considered a fringe movement.
SC Phelan spoke in the negative, and discoursed on the significance of capital letters vs. lower case letters. "Of course Big N Neopopulism is a fringe movement. He noted that he was a small n neopopulist small e elitist. He is against Big E Elitism. Small e elitism is where some people are considered better than others. Big E elitism is a specific group of people who happen to think they are better than others. In the US, we have a self perpetuating Big E Elite where the current members choose new members. That is why the Big E elite reacted so negatively to Sarah Palin, because she was not in "the club". Certain male members of the Society, specifically the Chairman and Secretary, thought to themselves that they would wish to join any club that boasted Sarah Palin as a member.
The Secretary, Mr. Colson, rose to speak in the affirmative. A recognized "pacer", the Secretary moved initially to his left from the head table to begin his speech, a dramatic and dazzling opening that was unfortunately cut off as the Chairman initiated yet another dictate and diverged from tradition, demanding that since the Secretary wished to speak in the affirmative, that he speak while standing on the right hand side of the head table. So as not to cause a scene, the Secretary acquiesced to this request, but wishes to register his dissatisfaction with these Stalinist tactics by the Chairman.
Having been shaken by the prior events, the Secretary nevertheless gave another in a long line of brilliant speeches, and noted that that Neo-Populism is indeed a Big E Elitist movement. Mr. Kaardal and his disciples are fine with what the masses want, as long as it is what Mr. Kaardal wants. SSC Kaardal spoke of empowering the masses to take control of their government via lawsuit. In the Secretary's opinion, the Kaardal-ian Neo Populism movement was less about empowering the people and more about generating a new and government-funded client base for his law firm.
Mr. Olsen spoke in the negative, and in a rare and bold move, was able to finish his entire speech without mentioning Chesterton. He stated that he is still trying to understand Neo-Populism, a vast understatement undoubtedly shared by many in attendance. He noted that he was recently at a Big E Elitist dinner with his wife. People began making fun of Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin - her accent, her mothering. They assumed all in attendance at a big E elitist dinner would be supporting Obama. Mr. Olsen, normally brave and assertive, did not speak up in defense of Palin, and thought "how condescending of these people". The Elitists are the fringe - a very powerful fringe. One might wonder how Mr. Olsen's inactions might have changed had John McCain picked G.K. Chesterton as his running mate. As strange as this might sound, McCain and Chesterton are actually quite close in age, although McCain wears it better.
SC Augustine rose to speak in favor of the resolution. He noted that there was a 33 word definition on the NP website that included two "and/or"s, a definition that would not likely inspire a groundswell of support. He read but did not understand Mr. Dahlberg's written submission - it seemed "Elitist" and "kinda weird". The absurdity of NP is self evident. At this point, it is clearly a fringe movement - too abstract for a true populist movement. He noted that another fringe movement that was started about the same time - Ron Paul - had 26 million web site hits. He noted the distant second place of the NP website. He also very wittily weaved the proliferation of "and/or" from the NP definition into his response to a query from the floor, a moment of humor unable to be adequately expressed in the written word.
In the negative, Prof. Spry stated that if one were to travel in Mongolia, all the people one would meet would be descendents of "Jen-Gis Khan", because in his travels and conquests, he had the opportunity and interest to reproduce far more than most normal men, present company excepted. Prof. Spry noted that since Neopopulists like Kaardal were reproducing at Khan-ish rates that he felt that, like Mongolia, Minnesota would soon be overrun with neo neopopulists directly descended from the founder himself. This must be their goal - to reproduce themselves into prominence and power.
SC, Counselor and Wellstone Republican Wersal rose in the affirmative. Showing his vast knowledge and experience with the Internet, Mr. Wersal pointed out that if one Google's Neo-populism, one gets hits on Hugo Chavez and information on right-wing political parties in Europe. Since those who identify with neopopulism cover such a wide political spectrum, the term is rendered meaningless. He is convinced that there is no such thing as the "rule of law". The only party that understand this is the Democrats - they realize that the Rule of law is really the rule of men, so they fight to get judges they like.
Mr. John Grzybek (grisbek) rose to speak in the negative. He stated that NP is not a fringe movement. We are all NPs - if not, we're in big trouble. The Common Man has Common Sense. Bureaucrats on the inside don't have common sense, and you have to fight them constantly to keep them from taking away your rights. He noted that he took on the Science Museum who did not follow the law regarding sign using around the river, but he lost because the city decided to treat the museum as a "special case". The law was unequally applied. The common man can and must do things to help himself that also help the greater good.
A motion was made to thank the gentleman for a very fine maiden speech on the floor of the A&H JAS. SSC Kaardal made the point that the gentleman was thanked in a prior term. The motion was withdrawn. After some lively discussion, a motion was made to thank the gentleman for his very fine maiden speech contingent upon him not having been thanked before. The motion was seconded, and passed by unanimous vote. The gentleman was thanked contingent upon him not having been thanked before.
Mr. Downing, ignoring the lateness of the hour, spoke in the affirmative. Yes, it's a fringe movement. Big E Elitist pseudo populism is more concerning. Big E elitists are pretend populists. Voter drives are really attempt by Big Es to get the people to vote for E issues. As a small e elitist , he doesn't want those who can't figure out where to vote to actually vote. Mr. Downing then noted that he was a founding member and financial supporter of ACORN.
The resolution was read and a vote taken: The resolution passed by a vote of 12 to 7.
A motion was made to adjourn to Brit's Pub - as is traditional. The motion was seconded and passed.